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Offline donunus

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The Old School Reference, The HD600
« on: July 08, 2011, 03:04:23 PM »
I can't believe that these Legendary Cans don't have their own thread here yet. Let me give them some respect and make one. Lets just start with this teaser here first...











This is the 2nd time Ive bought these by the way. They are probably my all time favorite cans. I have also bought the hd580s (Basically the less refined hd600) twice and currently have some hd650s here with me for comparison.



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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 03:06:28 PM »
I want to say that out of the box, these hd600s are a bit more revealing than the hd650s and make hot recordings a little annoying to listen to. This is both a good and a bad thing. It is good because it will make me able to remaster some albums better than when using other cans as monitors. It is bad because hitting random play on foobar will not be as enjoyable and relaxing as when listening through the hd650s.

On good recordings like Patricia Barber's Premonition Years compilation, the hd600 blows the hd650 out of the water. There is just more presence to their sound, the instruments project with more authority and the detail in bass layering is much better on the hd600s even just out of the fiio e9. The hd650s in contrast make everything sound thicker and duller than the hd600s which makes them more forgiving of bad recordings. 

These two headphones still sound like they are cut from the same cloth but the hd650s sound like they are EQ'd hd600s. I love them both! Take note I'm listening to the newer driver versions with the white material on the baffle which are reported to sound brighter and clearer than the older versions of these cans. I've had an older version hd580 before but they are not functioning anymore so there is no possibility of confirming the differences for myself.

The more I am getting used to the hd600 sound again, the more I tend to prefer listening to even the brighter recordings on them. I just feel like they are giving me a more faithful reproduction of the sound vs the hd650s.

If the hd600s still sound a little bright for me after some burn in, I might just be inclined to get an amp with a smooth sound signature for them like a Schiit Asgard or a Woo6. I think perfect amplifier matching for the hd600s will make me get the best of both worlds between the hd650 juicyness and the hd600 detail rolled into one.

The hd650 however will perhaps need balancing or a huge amount of power in an amplifier to pull off the trick in making them more nimble sounding ala HD600. I think the hd600 route may be a little less expensive to maximize so i'll stick with that plan.

I'm really sad that the hd600s were just recently discontinued. They are a really great pair of cans. In fact, they are my favorite headphones of all time.... Until... maybe when I get my hands on some Audeze? or high end stax? I don't know and don't want to go there yet :)



The 650s and 600s. The hd600s look better in person IMO. The Flash makes the marble finish look exaggerated.



My older HD600 pair. I used the stefan audio art equinox cables with them.

I might also get some aftermarket cables sometime but I'll get my final amp matching right first before tuning with some cables.





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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 03:55:33 PM »
okay, im terribly jelly right now.  :-[
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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 05:16:08 PM »
They are my favorite headphones. The headphone that poisoned me from the first time I heard that made me want to buy them and I did immediately, the exact HD600 I listened to. :)
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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 05:42:58 PM »
hehe im just getting my first HD headphone and now its old school  ;)

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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 05:43:22 PM »
I haven't actually heard how HD600 sounds, but hearing from so many customer feedbacks and reviews on this, I know this is quite a legend.

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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2011, 06:25:21 PM »
I haven't actually heard how HD600 sounds, but hearing from so many customer feedbacks and reviews on this, I know this is quite a legend.

Indeed. It's one headphone I'd keep for life. :)
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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 10:58:47 AM »
I maybe getting my hands on one this month. yey!

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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 12:35:26 PM »
updated post#2 with some impressions and hd650 comparisons

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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 12:44:55 PM »
I love that marble finish :)

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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 01:23:48 PM »
When I moved to a new state 2 years ago, I gave away my 600 and 650, since neither had the clarity of the 800.  When I bought them new, about 2 years apart, they sounded about the same, but the 650 had a very slight (very slight) better clarity.  So if the 600 sounds brighter or sharper than the 650, then something has been modified since that would not be the way they came originally.

EDIT: BTW, I think the Beyer DT-48E is way better musically than either the 600 or 650, and it sells at B&H for only $379.  And my previous offer still stands.
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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 01:36:58 PM »
what was the previous offer? :)

As for the senns, the changes were made around 2007. Notice the hd650 on my pic with the white stuff inside and the pic below is just plain black around the drivers. The same thing goes for the hd600s. So maybe you got an old hd600 and new hd650s?



So basically I'm thinking that in terms of brightness, the ranking goes like this..

Old HD650<Old HD600<New HD650<New HD600

I wouldn't want a headphone that is brighter than these hd600s. They are brighter than my stax just to give another point of reference.
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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 02:08:46 PM »
I bought the HD-580 the very day it was available, and the same with the 600 and 650, which was a long time ago.  I think everyone acknowledged at the time that the 600 was a big jump in clarity over the 580, which also sounded more distant.  The 650 was a very small improvement, but almost identical to the 600.  So if the 600 is better than the 650 now, it must have to do with changes that occurred between then and now, which is a lot of years actually.

The sound of the DT-48E should be about midway between the 600/650 and a Stax electrostatic like the SRX MK3, or perhaps a newer version of Stax.  Lighter bass than the Sennheisers, but comparable to the Stax or very close.  I would think the mids and highs would also be similar to the Stax.  If you really would like to see the perfect short review of the DT-48E, it's the first review at this page:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/272007-REG/Beyerdynamic_404306_DT48E_Stereo_Headphones.html

My offer was to send the DT-48E the same way I did the DT-1350.  Who the final owner would be does not matter to me, but the important thing would be to get as many people a hearing with it as possible, so the Headphiles members can be satisfied that they know what it sounds like under ideal conditions.
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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 02:25:39 PM »
yah sure send them over :) That would be great!

Back to topic... I also bought 580s when they came out and heard a friend of mine's hd600s when they first came out. FWIR they were not as clear as these cans that are on my head right now. I cannot confirm 100% though unless I had a pair of those with me. But as far as the latest hd650 vs the latest hd600, The hd600 has more upper mids  making the top end more coherent than the hd650s. The hd650s have more midbass and are more forward in the lower mids(warmer) due to the more recessed upper mids. The hd650 creates a bit of a boom-tish sound because of the upper mids gap giving it a slightly more V shaped sound. Let me also add that the new hd600s have newer pads which make the sound slightly brighter but when I push the cans toward my ears, they warm up a little but still don't become as warm as the hd650s.

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Re: The Old School Reference, The HD600
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 02:40:20 PM »
Sennheiser does have a habit of revising the sound of their headphones, so maybe that accounts for the difference.  Then again, Beyer also makes major revisions to a given model long after it's first released.
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